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Author Topic: Are you weaker than a pile of fruits - play the fruits game  (Read 8016 times)
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« on: October 03, 2007, 01:08:52 am »

I bet that you will get a hard time with that crazy fruits game. Check it out: http://www.2020tech.com/fruit/rules.html

P.S. Don't tell me it's impossible - I know how to beat that cruel computer!
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 01:27:59 am »

i win at first try Grin not so hard after all Tongue i make the fruitmaster really angry Wink
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007, 02:18:33 am »

So you know the solution of the "NIM problem"?
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 04:56:33 am »

Phew Cool
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 06:42:28 am »

What's the NIM problem?i just click randomly(maybe i'm lucky).....the last fruit i click is the lemon or orange i think....and there's a uncle pop up with the word congratulations....
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007, 07:34:56 am »

the NIM is a game where you have two (or more) piles of stones. Each player can remove stones from one pile on every turn. Whoever take the last stone wins.

The trick is that depending on the configuration if you have the choise to be first or second - you always have winning strategy. However if you make even a single mistake - the other oponent have a winning strategy immediately. The Fruit game is exactly the same - if you make a single mistake the computer wins (even wrongly choosing to be first or second).

The whole trick to solve it mathematically is to convert the number of piles into binary sum without transfer. For example:

  011    3    Heap A
  011    3    Heap B
  001    1    Heap C
  ---     
  001

* 1+1+1 = (1+1)+1 = 0+1 = 1
   1+1+0 = (1+1)+0 = 0+0 = 0
   0+0+0 = 0

The Theorem is that:
1. Every non-null (not 000) can be converted to full one by removing stones from one of the heaps
2. A null sum cannot remain num sum if you remove stone(s) from any the heaps

And finally - if your oponent is in null sum - it means that you win you win Smiley For example you have
  011    3    Heap A
  010    2    Heap B
  001    1    Heap C
  ---     
  000

No matter how many stones from which pile he take - he will make it a non-null sum... And on you will immediately convert him to a null one... He will end up in 1 stone in heap A and 1 stone in heap B and he have nothing to do but loose Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2007, 07:37:43 am »

hey,then i must be really lucky then?
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2007, 07:43:48 am »

yes, that was a good luck Smiley

However the Fruit game is with average small number of "fruits"... If you make the numbers much bigger and you do not know how to solve NIM - then you will definetly loose Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2007, 07:46:45 am »

ugh I lost..he3
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007, 09:23:58 am »

wow,I was damn lucky then Smiley
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